How is he a failure? Is that assertion by fact you can back up or just opinion?

I think the above comment just described Obama's plan for the future of America. He already instills fear with his propaganda ads and how about Harry Reid making accusations without a source?? As far a repression of women nd minorities and dividing Americans on issues--that already exists thanks to the great freedoms we are lucky enough to have. Denfese spending is not put in place to protect oil, it is in place to protect you and your family so that we may live in a free nation! I could go on but I'll summarize by saying that comments 1-7 are not 100% accurate. Obama can't stand on his own record so he has attacked his opponent with inaccuracies and accusations that no one in the media or otherwise is checking for an ounce of truth.

Hey,
What do you know. This is a liberal troll poster. This same comment was posted 18 times in at least 8 states. Please take the Soro's money you are earning to post your robo-comments and buy all of the medication your doctor reccomends. When you skip doses or medications it seems you enter an alternate reality world. Just my advice.

I'd love to see some proof of these claims, but there are a few that make me giggle.

1. So rich people wouldn't have to pay taxes? As far as I know, they'd be the ones paying the most!
2. If you have a roof over your head and an internet connection, please don't compare America to third-world countries.
5. And we should continue to let Obama continue to artificially keep teachers from losing their jobs? Let's talk to the buggy whip salesmen first.
6. Can't wait for all the roads to go to hell under Romney!
8. Do you remember what the price of gas was before Obama took office? Yeah, under $2 a gallon. I think it's time to get republicans back in charge of that.
9. Ahaha, this is the funniest. I'm all for restricting voting rights if it means that Dems can't get family pets, dead people, and criminals to the polls.
12. Same as #9.

And the rest are just plain false, or else you'd have some proof to back up your claims. We the people, and the government as a whole, hasn't been able to afford Obama for the last four years: it's time for a real slogan of "change," and the American people should not be fooled twice.

Obama has done zilch for the nation or the economy during his term. He has no clue what to do now except to continue to borrow and spend us into bankruptcy. His next plan is to borrow more from China and Japan plus increase taxes on the 50% who pay taxes in order to spend even more. He can't talk about his accomplishments because he has none, so his only re-election campaign stradegy has to be the crude personal attacks on and lies about his Republican opposition. No class. That old urban legend spread by Democrats for decades that Republicans are for the rich and Democrats are for the rest of us will no longer work. I see very little evidence to support that over-worked and worn out claim. It's accurate to point out the Democrats are for gaining more control over our personal freedoms.....and they take their orders from the labor unions and a few iron fisted environmentalists. Following the November elections, Obama will be sent back to the traditionally corrupt Chicago Democratic political machine from whence he came to become a community organizer once again.

I wonder what the working mother has been drinking

HAHAHA. where are you getting your sources. Spoon fed from the left media. I feel sorry for you. Your COMPLETELY backwards.

seriously? I'll type more when I quit laughing........

Thats funny dianna, I was thinking the same thing before I scrolled down to read you comment. I love how Obama does nothing wrong and all those points 1-12 describe Obama to the "T". LOL! These things are happening Now Fred n Freeda!!!

They're not giving money to anybody, they just want to take less of it away in the form of taxes. The rich pay an extremely disproportionate (very high) amount of taxes compared to the rest of the country under anybody's economic plan.

"GIVING" is not the appropriate word how about TAKING LESS of the $$$ that people who work hard put their life savings into a business which employes and supports other Americians "Evil" RICH" people making $250,000 Work hrad to FUND the programs so poor people can survive. I am sick of apologizing for working 60-80 hours a week and paying over 50% of all I earn to the government!!!! I'm all for helping those in true need I am VERY generous with my $$ But I am sick of people who "game " the system while I work. and no matter what the media says I see people every day who take advantage of the system. No matter how much we have or don't we ALL need to be honest citizens help our neighbors and work hard to take care of ourselves.

You got that one right, kidcat.

Demo plan: print more money we dont have and prop up failing business models. They will fall later. btw we dont have money to back up what we gave you. our nation will fall now. Hope you enjoyed the temp loan!

You got that right, Ben. And the president in 2017 will be forced to pick up the tab if Obama has his way again for the next 4 years.

The rich are evil.

You know (or should know) this is misleading, assuming there is any truth to it at all. When was the last time you heard of a bill that only did one thing? Politicians on both sides will add ridiculous nonsense to bills to make sure they're voted down, just so they can say "so and so voted NO on a bill that would fix everything!" when it is just complete and utter nonsense.

Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president's congressional "to-do-list," refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.

Repubs voted against the bill because they were not allowed to amend the bill to either repeal the health care law or extend the Bush tax cuts. Way to support creating jobs GOP!

Your proving a fool and their thoughts are soon crazy

art - congrats on a rubber and glue post

I'm voting for Obama-Biden and so are most of the people I know. I can think of a lot of reason to do so. One fact I will never forget, as it appear that you have Dan, is that it was the Republican policies that got us into the trouble we're in today. And, much to my amazement, the same Republican leadership in DC vowed to stand in the way of every attempt that would be made to pull our country out of it, simply because they lost the election in 2008. Now if you're going to vote for that bunch (the same ones who brought you Florida in 2004) then YOU deserve what YOU will get...God help the rest of us!

LOL....People person. Keep believe that it was the Republicans that got us all into this mess. The Dem's hold just as much responsibility as the Rep's do. Both these parties suck, but it is Obama who is transforming this country into a socialist nation. If you can't see it you are blind. I think we need to stop him before he screws it up anymore. Please remember this comment if he gets re-elected, and I will be in your concience saying I told you so.

@People Person: Oh boy, blaming the previous administration never gets old, does it? Three and a half years later and all of our troubles are still Bush's fault? If you can't blame Obama for things like bleeding out our national debt and screwing over medicare, you're obviously just another dem fanboy who can't look at things objectively.

Yeah, we all have our main issues we'll always side with, but it's hard to believe that even moderate democrats would want to see the atrocities that Obama has committed continue for 4 more years. Romney might not be all that better in hindsight 4 years later, but a vote for Obama is a vote for giving up: we've seen what his slogan of "Change" means and anyone with half a brain would steer clear of that guy.

@Chris - absolving Bush from tanking the economy and leaving us losing over 700,000 per MONTH never gets old, does it? Ignoring the obstructionism of the GOP as determined in private meetings by the GOP on the day President Obama took office is part and parcel of the same "everything was ok until Obama" psychosis. Seek treatment; fewer and fewer people are believing your camp's lies.

Darryl, wow could you be miopic? Bush didn't tank the economy Clinton did, Barry Frank did. The financial crisis was a direct result of the housing policies implemented under the Clinton Whitehouse. W just got caught on the watch and let to many things go. At least be intellectually honest with yourself. If you don't believe me, then name one thing W did to cause the fianancial crisis other then his presence in the Oval office on that day.

You're right R Gibson. Here is a great clip that sheds some light during the housing crisis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

Also check out this article from 1999: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

Don't know about you but I've managed to increase my net worth by approximately 40%. Now into 7 figures.

Dan-- That Fox News Video reminds me of 9/11. Bush and his boys knew something was going to happen and they did nothing about it.

Sharon P, You missed the point of the video. Bush and his boys were raising a red flag saying there is a problem and tried to fix it, however Barney and his boys said everything was fine and didn't need attention. You probably have to watch it again.

Dan Brachel-- You should know that the buck stops at the Presidents desk. Do you know how crazy it sounds to completely attack Obama for destroying this country while defending Bush?

You're basically saying the Democratic Politicians made Bush do bad things-- like nothing to prevent 9/11 and completely deregulating Wall Street-- but now that Obama is in charge, it is the President who is making the Republican leaders do bad things, like the socialist policy of giving Medicare to all. Basically, in your eyes, no matter what happens, it's the liberal Democrats fault. It doesn't matter if Bush gives the big 3 $700 Billion, it's the socialist Democrats that made him do it.

Sharon, you might need to tell the current president about not blaming the other party and the buck stops at him. LOL.. Has he ever said that the buck stops with him? Heck no, he has blamed them from day one and he continues to blame them. And it looks like you are doing the same thing.
As far as Bush goes I think the TARP plan (which was for the bank bailout not auto) was completely stupid and should have never happened, so I blame Bush for that and I also blame him for having a pretty crappy regard towards the borders of the United States. And I think like his father they are both for a one world government. So yes they have a lot to answer for themselves, but it still doesn't hide the fact that Obama is not making things better, and actually making things worse.

Im with you Dan!

I don't know how many on here will be able to figure out the common sense you state.

art, once Joe wrote "Obamacare steals 716 billion", everyone knows reason has been rejected, much less common sense. The problem is that the GOP echo chamber has kept its followers pumping out this lie, and people usually consider it common sense to ignore arguments based upon it..

Part #2,
WHEN - he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco - a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to "fundamentally transform this Nation" into something else, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn't matter.

Part #3,
WHEN - he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in "Explicit Consent," harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual and organizer of a group called Gay, Lesbian, Straight, Education Network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama's Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Carol Browner, a well known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.

Part #4,
WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our long time ally, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.

Part #5,
WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and 'stating' that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people woke up--- but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an Internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph.

Will it read as above or will it be a happier ending for most of America?

After reading through parts 1-5......Don't just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. We all need to pull together or watch the demise of a free democratic society. Pray for Americans to seek the truth and take action for it will keep us FREE. Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, North Korea or Iran. Our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington, DC . The government will not help, so we need to do it ourselves.
May GOD help us all, we have a big decision in November.

Dan B - Wow, Thanksgiving must be a blast at your house! I love the First Amendment too, so I won't even ask you to cite sources for your "facts". You might try to get your "news" from some other sources, and take deep breath. You're totally stresed out.

Good luck to you -

Erin, those are all very specific facts that can easily be researched, unlike the incredibly general claims that Dems make (see Fred 'n Freeda's comment way above). How about you get back get off your high donkey and try using Google, something we can't do about Dem claims.

Chris - I was trying to lighten the mood a little, geez. Haven't we all had some boisterousThanksgivings?

Plus, I really don't appreciate vicious manufactured propaganda. Dan B copied this entire rant word for word from a right-wing conspiracy theory website called WeOpine.com. There is no "evidence" or citations of any kind listed.

This rant is also listed on Snopes.com which is: "The definitive Internet reference source for urban legends, folklore, myths, rumors, and misinformation." You think Snopes is a left-wing site? Nope, that's debunked here as well at the non-partisan site http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/.

At least I am willing to cite evidence from reliable sources to back-up even "general claims", which are not necessarily conservative or liberal but seeking to advance the discussion in a productive way.

Erin
Dan B's facts are facts, not right wing conspiracy. John Holdren did co-write a text book that advocated the mass sterilzation of entire populations via food and water systems. All the other items listed in his list are ALL verifiable. The water is before, you just simply have to have a desire to dr(th)ink.

Erin,
just one fact for you with a link since your google machine seems to be on vacation.
http://www.examiner.com/article/science-czar-john-p-holdren-s-disturbing-beliefs-about-america-capitalism-and-humanity

Erin,
Did you ever hear about Kevin Jennings? Obamas School Safety Czar? This is truly shocking stuff. Handing out "Fisting Kits" to children as young as 13!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2009/12/fistgate-ii-high-school-students-given-fisting-kits-at-kevin-jennings-glsen-conference/

Erin, I didn't get this information from weopine.com. I got if from another source. However, thanks for taking the time to research the source, if indeed they are the source. Now, please take the time research the information that I've provided. It can all be verified. I just want everyone to be better informed this time around when it comes to voting for Obama. Our futures are at stake. We can't keep spending like drunken sailors and raise taxes to pay for it.

As far as Thankgiving dinner goes....LOL..we go out and eat. My family agrees with me, they just don't always want to talk about it. ;)

Anon - not quite sure if you're just trying to be funny. But trying to convince me you're not just a conspiracy propagator by offering "evidence" from more right-wing conspiracy sites with an on screen name of "Anon for Obvious Reason"? Anonymous because.... ya know, THEY are watching? Come on, that IS pretty funny.

But just in case you're not trying to be ironic, here's your John Holden story as "pants on fire" out of context misinformation from a non-partisan investigation: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/

And, the average person is supposed to believe that a President of the US refuses to say the pledge of allegiance? And holds his groin during the national anthem? If you're sure of your facts, show them, from verifiable sources. Otherwise, just more wacky blogs and obviously doctored photos. I've been sent emails with these before and they've been debunked. Personal favorite - Obama and his wife hold LEFT hand over heart during anthem as secret terrorist message. The other was one about the Obama's hanging the flag - upside down!! Totally fact. Uh-huh

Anon - feel free to practice your right to free speech. But I think I'm done engaging in this particular thread. Have a good night -

Erin,
Since providing any source other than your what you have ordained or blessed is out of the question, because your defense in every instance is to demean the messager rather than defend the intents of the message and you dont have a posted "accepted sources list. Lets just cite teh actual textbook that Holdren co-wrote with the Erlich's. EcoScience, 1977. Actual quotes, if you would like to dispute them, find the book and prove it, OTHERWISE, be the big brain you want to be and actually DEFEND THE MESSAGE!

"The neo-Malthusiasn view proposes...population limitation and redistribution of wealth."
"On these points, we find ourselves firmly in the neo-Malthusian camp" (p. 954).

For a deeper understanding Mr Malthus, a quote from his book "An Essay on the Principle of Population"
"All the children who are born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons...if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use...and court the return of the plague."

More from the man Obama appointed as his Science Czar.....
"it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.""If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children, and if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" (pp. 837-838)

"Such a comprehensive Plenetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable...not only in the atmosphere and oceans, but in such freshwater bodies as rivers and lakes...The Regime might also be a logical central agency for regulating all international trade...The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries' shares within their regional limits...the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits. (p. 943.)

"de-development of overdeveloped countries...should be given top priority" (p. 926),

It sounds like to me there certainly is a conspiracy afoot, and it is a massive authoritarian government that would determine who can have children, what children born will be allowed to develop into adults, as adults, what kind of comfort and matrerial wealth they will be allowed to enjoy. That is John Holdren in HIS words and he is the man that Presidnet Barack Obama put in charge as his Science Czar.

Its real easy to take your path, put your head int eh sand, not defend the indefensible and simply cry out that messenger is at fault. Intellectual Curiosity is an attribute you think you exercise, but you dont. You actually peruse darkness and ignorance. I would think at some point the sugar rush from the Kool-Aid would wear off but the pathology of denial must be too deeply entrenched to allow yourself to seek or accept any kind truth and simply rely on factcheck and snopes to do the thinking for you. (have you EVER thought to ask who funds those two websites?)

Dan B - one qualification. Looks like the WSJ site is a wonky today - cuts left half of spending graph off - difficult to read. But you should be able to see prez's names and terms.
An important qualification you can't see, is that the CBO's office assigned '09 Stimulus spending to Obama's term. So, the GWB big spending ticket does NOT include the much assailed stimulus (American Recovery and Reivestment Act of 2009).

Dan B - [original comment with correction] I think we'll have to agree to disagree as to what we consider verifiable, valid sources of facts. Whenever possible, I access original docs, text in context of entire speech/writings, check sources that are respected right, left and center, as well as contact a candidate personally to ask about views.

I too want voters to be informed, but informed with truthful information. Too that end, and RE: "We can't keep spending like drunken sailors and raise taxes to pay for it." You might want to take a look at conservative Wall Street Journal article "Obama spending binge never happened" http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor - including a chart with info from OMB, CBO showing clearly the biggest "drunken sailors" were Reagan '82-85 and GWB '06- '09. So, if you truly want small gov't and fiscal conservatives in the WH, you must take a look at how those who SAY they are fiscal conservatives actually legislate. This "deeds vs. words" look at our recent history is what makes true fiscal conservatives/small govt folks angry and disillusioned. Something to ponder. Nobody wants post-election voters remorse.

Thanksgiving - so funny. We have large family with politics all over the map. Those who tend to get too insistent or bossy pants about anything, get punished by old prom pix and embarrassing stories.

'while banning all hunting'? Huh? Really? All hunting has been banned? Is that a bunch of b.s., Dan?

Covering his groin during the anthem? Really? Let me guess. The photo/video recording was mysteriously damaged.

"Children in schools were taught to sing his praises"? That is a standard, run of the mill accusation which sounds completely sane. Just kidding. It sounds ridiculous.

And, WOW!!!, there is a "public recording" of Obama admitting he was raised Muslim? Really? And why isn't this recording playing on a loop on every TV channel? Oh, the recording doesn't really exist.

P.S. You mentioned homosexual 3 times. I find that interesting. Where does the constitution or Declaration of Independence say anything about morals? And do you truly understand the whole concept of liberty?

Sharon P, It was Cass Sunstein that he appointed that wants to ban all hunting. It didn't say that all hunting was banned. Also you wanted proof of what I wrote, so here are a couple of the videos of the children praising Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYlQhhocMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO3NBqT3LBc&feature=related

And the picture of Obama with is hands over his groin. It was during the Pledge of Allegiance.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FLz_5h26aT8/R1LnfJrJd5I/AAAAAAAAAEo/YW0DnnoX3pE/s1600-R/MuslimAtHeart.jpg

And last but not least, Obama on ABC News slipped up and said "My Muslim Faith". (I watched it live when it happened). Also here is an article of Obama before he was elected saying that the prettiest sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1
I think you may need to do more research on the people you're defending.

Dan Brachel-- I don't want to call you a liar but you are not being even remotely honest in your points or with your 'proof'.

WHEN - you wrote that a recording was made public after the election which "showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and 'stating' that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim." BUT then your proof was a video clip taken wildly out-of-context, and the correction was made on-air by the news reporter. And to top it off, you first said this shocking video came out AFTER the election, but then you said you watched the video clip LIVE, seemingly before the election. Dan, you should do a better job keeping your B.S. straight. Every one of your points is either out-of-context or wrong.

WHEN - someone brings up "homosexual" on 3 separate points, you know they are too worried about someone else's personal business, or they are deeply repressed.

WHEN - someone tells you Obama's people banned "all hunting", you know they are completely full of it.

Why do a lot of Obama's supporters no longer like him? Because he has bent over backwards to appease conservative Republicans. You of all people should know Obama cares way to much about winning re-election (and eventually making $7 million a speech) to even consider limiting hunting or how big Truck tires can get.

its like, how do I say this in a politically correct fashion, the defenders and supporters of Obama and his corrupted party are some of the most WILLFULLY CLUELESS rubes ever to grace Gods green earth. The defenses put for obviously verifiable events (openly and commonly known in my circles) would be worthy of a good laugh if the consequences of such blatant and personally despairing ignorance didnt have such disastrous consequences to so many innocent people. Its sad and its so dangerous.

Sharon here is a video that seems to be the one referenced above of him saying he is a muslim. I think it may have been out of context, however if you add it all up, he is more muslim than Christian.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=obama+admits+he+is+a+muslim&mid=180C5B1E02C8005AF3F2180C5B1E02C8005AF3F2&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
As far as the video clip I provided, it was before the election and you wouldn't say "my muslim faith" if you didn't mean it. And yes he corrected Obama or did he just try to cover Obama's @$$. I'm far from a liar, the proof is there and you just don't want to look at everything I provided to you. What about the children video's? You see only what you want to see and you try and debunk the videos that are proof positive to my points. Good luck to you, I'll pray for you. I had to do the same thing for my brother but he finally seen the light and the truth. May God help us all!!!

You're 100% correct Joe. I just wish everyone else could see it. If so, it would be a landslide Romney/Ryan victory in November.

"ism" crazy posts like this get written because people filled with hate and resentment are constantly reaching for words that get past forum filters. Never mind the actual meaning of the words. JMB (Joe?) and Dan (or are they the same person?), try thinking for just one moment: how would a race war help President Obama get re-elected? *facepalm* You are, multiple personalities aside, unbelievable.

Chris, perhaps you would be happier reading and responding to the Red Mitten poll: http://wyandotte.patch.com//articles/red-mitten-flash-poll-paul-ryan-will-improve-mitt-romney-s-chances-in-michigan

(I can just imagine the exasperation of the editors when reading such criticism despite the "its not scientific" disclaimer and providing "mitten" surveys from both GOP and Democratic viewpoints.)

Yes Darryl, I noticed that article shortly after and was just as annoyed at Mr. Hetzler would clutter up these Patch pages with unnecessary articles that only serve to start debate among unwavering sides of the political spectrum, as noted on Dearborn Patch's Facebook post. Obviously such higher-ups in both political camps are going to agree with their party or against the other party's decisions. I'm calling for better journalism; just because anyone can "write" for their city nowadays with Patch doesn't mean that they should.

Too bad many will be ineligible to vote for Romney/Ryan in November since their student ID (even State University issued) no longer qualifies in many states due to new Voter laws passed in R controlled states like Texas. Unintended consequences. As Rick Perry famously said: "Oooops."

You mean voter fraud that involves actual in-person votes that were counted (they type that these laws would guard against)? According the National Republican Lawyers Assn which closely follows voter fraud, only 340 between 2000-2010 - only 10 documented cases of in-person fraud. Most were found to be clerical error - double counted votes, misspellings and the like. Not exactly handing the election to anyone. Do you think that justifies disqualifying millions?
Swing states like PA? By the states own estimates - with new law in place, 759,000 do NOT have eligible ID's, and will likely NOT know it until they show up at the polls. There are sticky stipulations now in place RE: photo ID's - like a mo/day/year expiration date. Most military ID's and student ID's don't have that format (colleges have school year 2012-13). Do we want super long lines - like '04 fiascos in FL and OH? Another election decided by the Supreme Court?
IMHO - I agree that we certainly need a better system to protect everyone's vote. But if we're serious about doing it, doing it right, and in a non-partisan fashion - we need to have a uniform requirements, perhaps using a National ID card (which would also help against ID theft) and do a 4 or 5 yr roll out to give everyone time to come in line and minimize costs. NOT just months, really, weeks before an incredibly close election, with certain groups disproportionately disenfranchised.

The Catholics who actually go to church have been hearing week after week about their religious freedoms being taken away by the government. At the church I attend they do not say who to vote for or who is responsible for limiting religious freedom, but I think it's clear enough that the message is about Obama.

That said, the majority of people who will say they're Catholic on a survey don't regularly go to church and most do not have views that are in line with the church. Many are pro-choice liberals who do not attend church with any regularity.

Nancy Pelosi is a "Catholic", though her views are way off base with the teachings of the church.

Ok Joe. I see you are allergic to thinking. A race war would not help President Obama get re-elected. Period. Furthermore, the Romney/Ryan budget claims to balance in 30 years. Yet, by Ryan's admission, the Romney campaign is promoting a budget plan despite not knowing what it actually accomplishes (http://goo.gl/tzMmj)

Romney is running, not Reagan. I agree, it is time for Reagan Democrats to come back and vote for the Democratic Party, since Romney would have let many of them go broke, would increase taxes on them, would destroy the retirement safety net, and would voucherize Medicare.

As to polls, yes, Democrats and Independents and like-minded Republicans will have to show up at the polls (or vote absentee) for the President to win a second term.

Nevertheless, I am encouraged: GOP has good reason to worry about Paul Ryan on presidential ticket - "No one wants to say it out loud. But the political professionals are saying quietly that Mitt Romney conceded the presidential race by putting Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on his ticket." - http://goo.gl/LmE2B

Pssst! Obama/Biden 2012 for all the people. Pass it on.

Your clarification likely will be needed again, repeatedly, in coming months because of imprecise labeling.

Please forgive my pickiness, a former copy editor's lingering affliction, but news sites should select words based on their literal meaning. The noun "survey" is defined as "a detailed inspection or investigation; a general or comprehensive view; a gathering of a sample of data or opinions considered to be representative of a whole."

Patch earns partial credit for meeting the last portion, as the 20 responses are a sample of opinions considered to be representative of the 31 people contacted. But it's understandable if readers equate "survey" with "poll," despite your methodology disclaimer.

It's also refreshing to see results now reported as raw numbers -- a prudent change from percentages that may have implied more significance than exists, given the tiny sample.

Each of these reports could more properly be labeled as a roundup . . . or overview . . . or as Red State Views | Blue State Views.

OFHS. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survey

survey:
- to take a general or comprehensive view of or appraise, as a situation, area of study, etc.
- a sampling, or partial collection, of facts, figures, or opinions taken and used to approximate or indicate what a complete collection and analysis might reveal

No, Snopes doesn't. Lee, before posting a link that is supposed to back up your statement, perhaps you should read the material to which the link points. Let's put the salient information right here:

"In his recent guest column regarding the impact of the health care bill, Paul Guppy of the Washington Policy Center claimed that a 3.8 percent tax on all home sales was a part of the recently passed legislation. This is inaccurate and needs to be corrected. The truth about the bill is that if you sell your home for a profit above the capital gains threshold of $250,000 per individual or $500,000 per couple then you would be required to pay the additional 3.8 percent tax on any gain realized over this threshold.

Most people who sell their homes will not be impacted by these new regulations. This is not a new tax on every seller, and that correction needs to be made. This tax is aimed at so-called “high earners” – if you do not fall into that category you will not pay any extra taxes upon the sale of your home." - http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp & http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/apr/03/home-sales-tax-clarified/

As Rev. Al would say, "nice try, but we got you". :)

Lee, caught in a lie, you just continue on.

Analyzing your "fear" shows you to be ridiculous: 3.8% additional tax on capital gains over $500,000 as a couple when selling a house. That means if I bought my mansion in Farmington Hills for $500,000 and sold it for $1,100,000 I would have to pay an addition 3.8% on the $100,000 over the $500,000 capital gains I realized. Instead of paying $90K, the tax would be $93.8K. Instead of $510,000, I'd still make $506,200. I'd take it!

The idea that poor in America is "rich" in other places is a crock. Excusing eroding policies for the poor so that they are as destitute as the poor in other countries is not a healthy, nor moral, economic policy.

BTW Florida did that drug testing thing. It cost them more to test: http://goo.gl/8exbz - it found drug use below the state average. It did, however, make a boatload of money for the drug test providers.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is the nation’s most important anti-hunger program.
- SNAP reaches millions of people in need of food assistance. It is one of the few means-tested government benefit programs available to almost all households with low incomes. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2226.
- SNAP is an efficient part of the nationwide safety net. Payment accuracy – the delivery of the correct amount of benefits to eligible households – is at an all-time high. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3239.

FHVoice -

Oh please, do NOT leave out the best part of the mess that is Florida.
Florida drug testing - started by R Governor Rick Scott. He happened to have been implicated in the 1997 biggest Medicare fraud case in US HISTORY, forcing him to step down as CEO of Columbia/HCA after the hospital giant was fined $1.7 billion (yes, with a B) and found guilty of swindling the government. Then "conservatives" that HATE waste, fraud and abuse elect him governor instead of sending him to jail for defrauding Medicare. Oh well.

Back to the drug testing. In 2001, Scott starts a chain of clinics called Solantic with nearly half his net worth. Gets governorship in 2011, Scott aggressively pursues policies like testing state workers and welfare recipients for drugs, switching Medicaid patients to private HMOs and shrinking public health clinics. All this, you guessed it, drives patients who now need new MANDATORY drug testing to HIS clinics. But no conflict bec last year he moved the controlling interest to a trust under wife's name. Hmmm

MORE delicious irony? Scott is now trying to kill off an anti-fraud database that would track the fraudulent distribution of addictive prescription drugs in Florida (FL is the nation's leader in "drug mills"), over the protestations of law enforcement officials, Republican state lawmakers, and federal drug policy officials.

FYI - He's a headliner representing the new Republican brand at RNC Convention next week! WTH happened to my party?

I totally agree, jerry. I was a Republican, then I realized I was not rich enough to qualify for Republican benefits.

However, in defense of the Republican posters on Patch.com. I understand why there are so many..... because..... When it comes to MILLIONAIRES, Metro-Detroit has more than it's fair share. In fact, Metro-Detroit has 92,000 millionaires, which makes Metro-Detroit #9 for American cities with millionaires. There are more millionaires in Detroit than in Atlanta, Dallas, Miami, St. Louis, Kansas City, New Orleans, San Diego, Portland, Seattle, etc. etc.

Metro-Detroit is over-flowing with 1%ers.

FHVoice you only offer hyperbole and distortion of reality to galvanize your voting block woman past child bearing age. College age women are shifting their opinions on abortion and are leaving the anti-life camp. Also use of words such as prehistoric is the pathetic. If you would present the truth of the matter that in 1973 when the opinion was given in the landmark Roe v Wade case it was because of a lack of technology and scientific ability to determine if a fetus growing inside a woman was a person. It was not a subjective opinion by the court but it based it's opinion on the best available science of it's day. So the prehistoric technology that formed the courts"person-hood" argument, simply collapses under the weight of superior technology and science of this modern era. The medical and scientific fields can demonstrate beyond the shadow of a doubt that life in the womb begins as early as 4 weeks. "An embryo’s brain waves can be detected six weeks after conception." and "An embryo’s heart begins to beat between 18-24 days after conception." Source: Clowes, Brian, PhD. 2001.
So if the government has as it's primary duties to protect it's citizen, then we really need to use the advancements in medicine and science to determine when life begins (ie citizenship) rather some subjective feelings about rights. The person in the womb should have rights too!

Just think what 30 some million aborted babies would have added in taxes to support all the programs that are having issues, like medicare and social security. Plus they would need clothes and homes and such, so that would create more jobs. Need I go on? So all the people that support abortion, be grateful that your parents chose to keep you. This way you can continue saying stupid crap like a baby doesn't get a choice only the parents.

Dan, would your argument also be used to support giving amnesty to all of the undocumented workers here? If there were suddenly millions more citizens all paying into Social Security and Medicare, and they were able to go about their lives the same as other Americans, going to the mall without fear of being arrested, etc.

I'm not suggesting that we should give blanket amnesty to all undocumented workers, but it seems like you would be if you hold your rationale consistently without hypocrisy.

No Jordan I don't think we should give anmesty to undocumented workers. I want them to go back to their country and follow the correct procedures to come to the U.S., And trying to equate them with aborted children is wrong. The children aren't breaking the law just for a chance at life.

FHVoice...............kill all the babies you want. You and your like evidently cherish this type of genocide. Just don't make me pay for it in any form of tax, donation for funds derived from public taxes funneled to your killing machines.

Oh, TaterSpam, you do not want to get into a posting match about the use of tax dollars. For killing machine overspend, there are millions of people who would have loved to opt out of funding the Bush Crime Family v. Hussein Crime Family War, waged on the nation's credit card.

Besides, you should first get a better command of the language; genocide is "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

You are entirely correct, Bryce - in our system, you can believe whatever you want to believe. The challenge arises when you try to disguise those beliefs by lying about having them to some, while telling co-believers that you will do everything to turn the government towards governing within the framework you espouse.

So, let Ryan be open about his belief that women raped must be forced to carry the biological byproduct of that rape through 270 days. Let Romney confess that is his position, too.

Then, let the electorate decide.

Actually, both Romney and Ryan, like Todd Akin, have already indicated support of personhood legislation, the most severe form of abortion limitation known.

Women, and men who love them, should be warned; we're not voting for P90X model of the year, and the views of the GOP candidates are as reactionary, and dangerous, as water is wet.

Based upon what, TS? Surely you have facts or figures or something. Otherwise, your post suggests someone left the 'tater salad out in the sun a bit too long ...

More TaterSpam

More TaterSpam

The unfortunate thing is the GOPs followers don't care about the truth and refuse to think for themselves.

Too bad the vast majority of what he spewed were lies and half truths. The media is debunking his speech point by point already.

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

Robo -
There you go again with your facts. What an elitist. ;-)
Candidates want you to just get outraged about headlines, not read actual articles, or fact check.

Robo + JMB - Wow, yeah. An exciting Ryan speech, but I've never seen a campaign based so wholly on distortions, and I'll be nice, untruths. I mean, the theme of Rom campaign (WE Built This) is based on a 3 sec sound bite taken completely out of context. Completely debunked untruths about gutting Welfare requirements, and "cutting Medicare"? (LOL - since Ryan's budget INCLUDES O's cost cuts) and a Jaynesville plant that closed in 12/08? Really? With the economy the way it is, that's all you got, seriously?

The glaring absence in Ryan's speech?: Ryan's legislative and voting record. He does NOT want people focusing on that. Because then people would see that the "budget hawk" is really a crazy liberal spender who only TALKS a big game.

Good afternoon, TaterSpam. Do you ever plan to present posts that relate to the article about which you are supposed to be following, or are you just going to keep flinging "stuff" trying to divert and distract?

Reduce taxes to NEAR(!) zero on businesses?

Hell, let's have a regressive tax rate and have workers PAY for their jobs! Why should corporations like GE only get puny mufti-billion dollar tax rebates when they can make money, not spend it, on labor?

PROSPERITY will flow like the mighty waters of the Mississippi, filling all valleys and humbling great mountains! HALLELUJAH!

Detox, someday you will figure out how to run a business, and, if that day ever occurs, besides us all screaming hallelujah!, you will have to make a decision when it is time to expand your business. Should I do it here, paying a 45% tax rate , since I am not multinational and using the tax loopholes to drop to 34%, or expand overseas, such as Ireland, and join Eaton where the tax rate is only 11 cents out of a dollar out of my pocket.? Detox, even you can see that if the tax rate was 11% in the USA, it would make sense to stay here, and hire folk from the USA. PLUS, thousands of other foreign companies would see the low tax rates, and open businesses here to save money. Those companies need to hire workers. The workers get paid. Taxes get paid from earnings. Millions of folk paying taxes by working again. Prosperity will , as you say, flow like the mighty waters of the Mississippi, and all from lowering taxes near zero on small businesses, not the current multinational ones. We want smaller foreign companies to move here, just as we have moved overseas. The key....low taxes. Of course, if you are only as smart as our President Obama, with no business experience, I am wasting my time.
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No budget? Am I missing something here, Lee?
I'm staring at a copy of the FY 2012 US Budget.

Perhaps you need to stop talking to your pal, Clint Eastwood, his imaginary non-friend.

Lee, just stop. First you post the lie that "President Obama raised taxes on small business", then you complain that the tax cuts were not as big or wide spread as you wanted.

Next you get a case of TaterSpam and just repeat " Why are there no jobs?". I'll reiterate: When President Obama entered office, we were losing 700,000 jobs PER MONTH. We are now adding over 120,000 jobs per month. "No jobs?" You lie.

But when you post "trashing our armed forces", you prove that you and your ilk have an allergy to the truth.

Your representation of Republican talking points should help all rational readers, right, left, or in between, that it is time to repudiate crazy as a campaign strategy. Obama/Biden 2012

Yes Ray, the democratic president sure does reach out to the middle class, he reaches out and removes money from their pockets. Since 2009 medium family income has fallen more than 4.000.00 per household. I could use a little less reaching out.

Chris, don't even try to go there: "he is playing the blame game". President Bush crashed our economy and we're losing 700,000 jobs per month and the stock market is around 7000. Establishing that we were in the middle of the worse recession in 70 years gives you the baseline for where you measure today, where we get 120,000 jobs per month added and enjoy a market around 13000.

The worse recession in 70 years! We got there using trickle down economics. Romney wants to take us there again.

Establishing fact and responsibility is not "blaming".

On the other hand, after the debacle in Tampa, you should be ashamed of trying to get away with saying the President is "blaming" Bush: the entire convention was based upon making white people see themselves as victims. You had speakers virtually saying "If you had a hangnail this morning, it was Obama's fault. If you cannot find a job, it is Obama's fault. If you haven't been able to find a job, it's Obama's fault. And on top of it all, he's giving welfare and food stamps to 'them', with a heavy inuendo that 'them' was, gasp, black people. That's why we need to take our country back. And we need an American to do it."

Yep, the GOP has firmly grabbed the mantle of victimhood, heavily doused with birtherism and pure fear. Blame is their only game. No details, just a plan for creating new jobs and balancing the budget, hidden in a secret document that we can only view after the election.

Actually, FHVoice, I think we agree. The party who got us in this mess should be the one to take the responsibility to bail us out, the Republicans. As for the race card you assert white people are playing ... let's see if the entire deck gets played next week.

The past years have gone like this:

Elephant and Donkey were traveling in a car down the road. Elephant was driving, but having imbibed a bit too much, crashed the car into a tree, just avoiding going over a cliff. Donkey insisted upon driving, and grudgingly, Elephant had to give up the keys. Donkey got the car off the tree, and started down the road, even though the car was severly damaged. But Elephant didn't really want Donkey to drive, so Elephant kept grabbing the wheel. That meant they couldn't travel very far or fast. But eventually they got to a gas station, and both got out.

When they were ready to get back in the car, Elephant kept grabbing for the keys, insisting that he was no longer drunk and could be relied upon to drive, and after all, look at how slowly they had been going while Donkey was driving.

They can't settle it together, so they ask a Bystander to decide. Donkey is pleading to reason, Elephant insisting that he should always be driving, even though the bystander could smell the liquor on his breath.

Now, if Bystander awards the keys to Elephant, knowing what he knows, and smelling what he smells, wouldn't that be, like, crazy?

Now I'm truly out. Have at it.

Paul, did you ever wonder what the amount of charitable deductions Mr. Romney was able to take because of the money he freely gave away to charity? Would you like to compare that amount to any of your "hero's"?

Want to start with Joe Biden?

And you're right, it is a travesty that Paul Ryan paid 20% in income tax. It should have been17%, and the same amount should be paid by everyone on all money earned over a 25,000 threashold. Your "folks" won't let that happen.

Bryce - Since Obama released many more years of taxes than his opponent, it's public record, therefore easy to check. Conversely, Romney asks us to just trust him. No doubt he's a charitable guy, but as Reagan said: " Trust, but verify".

-2010, the president’s taxable income was a little over $1.7 million, much of it from book sales. Line 19 of his itemized deductions shows that he gave $245,075 in gifts to charity - a rate of more than 14 percent.

- 2009, the president’s taxable income was about $5.5 million. He listed $329,100 in charitable contributions on his tax return and also directed the Nobel Prize Committee to give his $1.4 million prize directly to 10 charities (which meant he could not take a tax deduction for donating the prize). This adds up to a rate of 31.4 percent of taxable income.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-gifts-to-charity-just-1-percent/2012/02/14/gIQAXuMDER_blog.html

JMB, you are as persistent as you are wrong. Have a good evening.

Inflation Adjusted Gasoline Prices

1958 - $2.35
1968 - $2.21
1978 - $2.26
1988 - $1.84
1998 - $1.41
2008 - $3.39 (W's last year in office)
2011 - $3.48

JMB-The fact that George Bush and the Republican congress nearly put this country in to another great depression cannot be erased no matter how much propaganda and misleading statistics you quote.
You light the house on fire and then blame the fireman for the mess the fire has created.
When President Clinton left office he gave the republicans a budget surplus and the republicans toke that surplus and made it into a huge deficit (Bush tax cuts, 2 wars and Medicare part-D not to mention the wall street crimes overlooked by regulators) that will take generations to repay.
The stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts, 1/3 infrastructure and 1/3 help for the states., which helped bridge the huge job loss that would have taken place due to the drastic reduction in consumer demand. We tried the republican dogmatic formula during the great depression and learned from that mistake.

Erin, 4.25 per gallon in 2005? Using ObamaLogic, wouldn't that have been Clinton's fault?

You are paying high gas prices because of the crooks in the oil industry that the republicans insist on paying billions of dollars in tax breaks to. The oil companies use any excuses to raise the prices as well as speculators who play the oil market and screw consumers.
The pipe line you are talking about needs to go through the regular regulatory process so we do not get another ecological disaster like the one we had in the gulf. Note: Republican and Democratic governors want the correct environment studies done so there are no future issues with the pipeline

You are aware that you don't actually get a vote as to whether or not Nancy stays in office right? She represents a district in another part of the country.

I second Marl's plea for gate-closing after 16 days.

It's abundantly clear than Patch political comment threads raise repetitious tedium to a level that may qualify for the Guinness Book of World Records.