UPDATE, Campaign Briefs: Polls Show Virtually No Romney-Santorum Gap in Michigan
Romney gets lackluster endorsement from Free Press while Detroit News calls foul on editing of editorial by Romney staff; Paul reaches out with commercials and college campus visits.
Patch presents Michigan presidential campaign roundups before the Republican primary Tuesday.
Romney gets tepid endorsement from Free Press
GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has won the endorsement of the Detroit Free Press, but it's a reluctant one. The headline: "Mitt Romney is best – but we urge him to recapture collaborative spirit."
After citing all the things about Romney it doesn't like, the Free Press says: "Romney, unlike the zealous Rick Santorum, the impulsive Newt Gingrich and the backward-thinking Ron Paul, is preferable to the rest of the field."
New numbers show tossup
A trio of statewide surveys gives cliché-cherishing writers a chance to reuse "razor-thin," "down to the wire" or "dead heat." We'll go with tight:
- In a WXYZ/Detroit Free Press poll conducted by EPIC MRA and released Wednesday, Rick Santorum leads Mitt Romney 37 percent to 34 percent. With a margin of error of +/- 4.9 percent, either candidate could win Michigan on Tuesday. The poll, which surveyed 400 people, found 10 percent support Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich got 7 percent. Of those polled, 45 percent said they could change their mind by Tuesday. “A high voter turnout favors Mitt Romney and a low voter turnout favors Rick Santorum," said Bernie Porn, Channel 7 pollster and president of EPIC MRA.
- A NBC News/Marist poll released Wednesday shows Mitt Romney is the choice of 37 percent of likely Republican primary voters, followed by Rick Santorum with 35 percent, Ron Paul at 13 percent and Newt Gingrich trails at 8 percent. The survey of 715 people, questioned Sunday and Monday, has an error margin of 3.7 percentage points.
- Michigan Information & Research Service (MIRS) shows Romney leading Santorum 32 percent to 30 percent among 420 likely Republican voters. Gingrich drew 9 percent support, followed by Paul at 7 percent. Twenty-two percent of respondents were undecided. The poll, reported in the Detroit Free Press, was done Monday by Mitchell Research/Rosetta Stone and has an error margin of 4.7 percentage points.
"Michigan is neck-and-neck," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the survey with NBC.
Those numbers may be as slippery as the ones showing sizable Santorum leads here earlier this month. "Polls in a primary contest are all but worthless, especially those taken more than a few days before the voting," veteran politics commentator Jack Lessenberry writes in Metro Times.
Ron Paul on TV and campuses
News flash: Michigan's primary isn't a two-man race. Ron Paul, a libertarian congressman from Texas, joined the TV ad barrage this week.
His half-minute spot, embedded above, attacks Santorum. "Is this dude serious?" asks an opening slide and voiceover. "Rick Santorum a fiscal conservative? Fake," the announcer and screen type say at the end.
Paul also plans the following events in Michigan before the primary:
- Saturday: Mt. Pleasant speech at 6 p.m. in Central Michigan University's Plachta Auditorium in Warriner Hall. To enter at 5 p.m., register here. Others will be admitted at 5:30 p.m.
- Sunday: Hudsonville meeting of West Michigan small business owners.
- Monday: East Lansing speech at 4 p.m. in Michigan State University's Concert Auditorium.
- Monday: Paul will speak at the Ford Community and Performing Arts Center in Dearborn beginning at 7 p.m. The event is free and open to the public. For more information or to register, go here.
A supporter at MSU, senior Ethan Davis, tells The State News that Paul is "the only candidate that can mobilize young people."
Unfair editing, newspaper says
The good news for Mitt Romney is an editorial endorsement Wednesday from The Detroit News, which says he has "the strongest resume of the four remaining Republican candidates."
The bad news is that the newspaper now criticizes his campaign for an "inappropriate" move – sending journalists a partial version of The News editorial that omits three sentences that begin this way: "We disagree with Romney on a point vital to Michigan — his opposition to the bailout of the domestic automobile industry."
Editorial Page Editor Nolan Finley told prominent journalism blogger Jim Romenesko: "They should have run the complete, original version. It's a bit inappropriate to edit out the mild criticism. The reader has no idea what they removed" and replaced with a series of periods to indicate excerpting.
Trump air blitz for Romney
Donald Trump this week told broadcasters around Michigan why he endorsed Romney early this month. His call-in pitches began at WSGW news radio in the Flint-Saginaw market Monday and at WTCM in Traverse City the next day. On Wednesday, he was on WJR's Paul W. Smith Show from Detroit. And this morning, Trump planned to call Michael Patrick Shiels during his drive-time show on WJIM in Lansing.
"Trump has not been shy about his distaste for Santorum, who appears to be locked in a close race with Romney in Michigan — a high stakes contest for both candidates," reports ABC News blogger Michael Falcone, the network's deputy political director.
Romney lunch seats available
Tickets still are being sold if you want to hear Romney at Ford Field in downtown Detroit on Friday. The Detroit Economic Club peddles seats here for $100 or $55 for guests with a member. For that price, you get lunch as well as the candidate's speech during a program starting at 12:15 p.m.
Voices from the trail
- "Mitt Romney is the best choice in the Michigan primary." – Detroit News editorial Wednesday
- "Michigan will determine whether Mitt Romney’s superior money advantage and bigger organization is worth anything." – John Dickerson, Slate.com chief political correspondent
- "You'll have Mittmageddon if he can't win the state where his father was governor. ... Some primaries have higher stakes than others and Michigan's is one of them." – John Avlon, CNN contributor on Tueday
- "Reports show Romney is spending twice as much on media as Santorum and it would seem as though it is having an impact." – Steve Mitchell, West Bloomfield pollster, quoted in Michigan Information and Research Service newsletter
- "People are seeing that (Santorum) is a viable candidate. I think his (student) supporters are growing." – Brenton Craggs, MSU senior
lovetheusa1234
8:54 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Mitt Romney is the candidate who will bring pride and prosperity back to the USA. When he speaks, his love for this country comes through. He is not in this for a power grab as is Santorum. Why would Romney give up a successful career? It’s because he wants to get this country back on track. It’s not the establishment republicans only who back Mitt Romney, it is the common person like me. We are the ones sending in our $25 to help him win this election. We don’t care that he is a Mormon, we look beyond the “categories” and look to a person who deeply wants to set this country on the right track. Let’s elect Mitt and watch a real American presidential campaign in the fall.
Herb Helzer
11:06 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Couple of quick notes:
Willard "Mitt" Romney's "successful career" ended more than a dozen years ago by his own choice, when he jumped at the chance to control the 2002 Winter Olympics. He used this highly-visible position to campaign for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002. He served just the one term, announcing way back in December 2005 that he wouldn't seek re-election, but would explore a presidential run. He officially began campaigning for President on 13 February 2007...and has never stopped.
If readers grasp nothing else, they need to recognize that for the past SIXTY months Romney has done nothing but run for President.
Romney's motivation is questionable. You've been convinced "he wants to get this country back on track." Some 60-70% of REPUBLICANS remain unconvinced, and the compelling evidence of Mitt's own flip-flopping and ever-changing policy stands supports a very different conclusion: This is all about Romney's personal ambition. The man will do or say anything to any audience to win, regardless of the myriad contradictions that have resulted.
That's not just me saying that: It reflects statements made by his primary opponents, prominent right-wing bloggers and columnists, Fox News personalities, Republican Party strategists and Tea Party activists across the country.
They do not like Romney -- but most of them dislike Gingrich or Santorum even more, and their fanatical hatred of our President compels them to support Mitt out of necessity.
johnlips
11:21 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
mitt romney is a big money, pro-establishment candidate who don't give a f about you. don't waste your money. seriously. goldman sachs is giving him millions. he don't need your hard earned $25. with that being said, RON PAUL won the arizona debate hands down, is the only candidate who knows what the hell he's talking about and the only one who can beat obama. polls have him now beating obama in Arizona, Virginia, Iowa, and Ohio.
Pete Rogan
1:16 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
A man who edits a newspaper editorial to favor himself will bring back pride to America? Pride in WHAT? Our ability to defraud, deceive and demean? That's not the America I want, nor the America you should want if honor and honesty means anything to you. Apparently it doesn't -- so I am glad I now go armed into your midst.
jean taylor
11:13 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Romney is a testament to what has happened to the usa by exporting american jobs. He has a history of being a gatherer of his own wealth at the expence of american workers jobs and sending those companies he dealt with to bankqruptsy.check out his record. He has worked to destroy our own michigan auto industry in the manor he knows best liquidating companies for profit.
Alan Stamm
11:27 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Ron Paul's new "Dude" ad amuses Gail Collins in her NY Times col. today:
"The ad then goes on to say that Santorum’s votes to raise the debt ceiling were 'not groovy.' I am not an absolute expert on the speech patterns of young people, but I am feeling pretty confident that they do not use the word 'groovy.' "
Lee Jacobsen
11:55 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Jean, what has exported American jobs is the high corporate tax rate, nearing a combined 44% , with only Japan, at 45% being more. As a company looking to expand, what makes more sense, going to England at 22%, Ireland at 11% or stay in the USA and pay twice or 4 times the tax? That is why jobs are going overseas, common sense to avoid the high taxes in the good ole USA. Need some proof?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world
Regarding the candidates, all of them have good points, and all of them have faults. What in America needs the most fixing? Right now, our spending and economic policies are a shambles, with jobs suffering as a result. Obama has no business experience beyond campaigning and Acorn, which was a sham. He even became a Senator thru default, when the other candidate withdrew due to health reasons.
Romney, among all the candidates, has the most experience with numbers, and turning bottom line financial situations from bad to good. Before Romney , the Olympics was a money pit that no one wanted. He made it a success. Ditto for turning around other losers, and having the savvy to know what to do. He took risks, and was rewarded for it. Obama took trillions of our money, at no risk to himself, and wasted it. Sure, Romney is a Mormon. Need a comparison? This is what Obama listened to for 20 years, which would you consider the more 'conservative' faith for our country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo
Jerry Grady
1:39 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
As of yesterday the United States has the highest marginal tax rate for corporations in the industrialized world. When people start to look at hard facts about true tax rates and why people move jobs overseas, then and only then will they understand. Corporations are beholding to the Shareholder and thus they must give them a return on investment. If they stay in America, costs go up, which in turns puts prices up. I have had this discussion to many times and i know just let the facts speak for themselves. Those states that are turning around are the ones who are making business want to do business there. Obama just annouced he wants to cut corporate tax rates to 25%, do you want to know why, for the exact reason Lee and I Both are saying. At the end of the day, no matter what party you live in, its all about the money. But hey why would people think that matters,they all complain about Snyder, yet he has done what no one was willing to do, and put Michigan back on track, with the 7th best place to do business in and is holding every faction accountable. No need to tell me about what he cut, because it is forcing all factions to do what they should have done previously, and it is working.
Really
1:22 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
And lest we forget that Corporations - in the final analysis - do not themselves actually pay tax. All Tax is an expense that is passed on to consumers - all of it. So raising the expense to produces goods and services on US based corps is simply a negative force on US expansion and growth and a serious positive force on imports.
Jerry Grady
3:21 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Absolutely agree with you, but do you want workers working in this country or in other countries. All I hear and read is they are moving jobs. Well the way to get them back and have them produce the goods here is to reduce the tax rate to be at or lower than all other industrial nations. It only took Obama three and 1/2 years to finally understand that, and when his election year is coming, coincidental think not. He is one smart politician that can spin a web better than any spider I ever meet. We can not have our cake and eat it too, so we must take the lessor of two evils, and I believe myself, i would like to get the unemployed back to work and get them off of unemployment, get unemployment pay back to 27 weeks, and get our engine moving again. 92 weeks of unemployment is a big fat trillion dollar expense to all of us and for every job brought back to this country reduces our debt that much faster. And yes people this blog is too short for me to go into all the micro and macro aspects, so lets keep it simple. One person out of unemployment equals on average 10,000 out of our debt.
gg10
12:59 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Romney is nothing more than a used car salesman. Scripted to the max. My guess is that he has never had an orIginal thought in his life. His father dropped out of the Presidential race after he claimed he was "brain washed" over the Vietnam War.The apple does not fall far from the tree.
Lee Jacobsen
1:27 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
GG10, We are all entitled to our opinion, what data do you have to support yours?
All Romney has is a proven track record of turning around distressed companies.
The proof is in his tax return. Turning around our country's fisical mess is akin to turning around poorly run companies and making them profitable. Obama has no clue, his trillions of wasted dollars proves it. Romney has years of experience, his wealth proves it.
Regarding brainwashing, go a little deeper. Romney back then in his visit to Viet Nam felt that it was a losing cause, a waste of our resources, that we should not be in Viet Nam, and that the generals etc were giving him a line of 'bull' . Turns out Romney was right!
Read about it here....http://victorhanson.com/articles/thornton122311.html
What do you think about them apples now??
gg10
3:35 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
I guess it just reinforces the fact that the Romney's embrace the political winds. In other words, they flip-flop to whichever point of view they believe will get them the most votes at that point in time. His wealth only proves that he is well connected, probably through his father. A financial company he was a partner in saved some companies and ruined others.
Jerry Grady
5:45 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
So no other politician does this? I must be living in a dream world.
Lee Jacobsen
8:26 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
GG10
Obviously you have never run a company, known the ins and outs of trying to make payroll, balance a budget, actually make a profit despite all the govt. restrictions. The company Romney was with dealt with companies that had mis-management, and were about to go under. Some companies can be saved, others are too far gone. Obama fired thousands of auto workers to turn them around and ended giving GM to the union, and shafting the bond holders in the process. Why did Obama fire those workers? Perhaps due to lack of demand for electric cars? Obama doesn't know, he never made a profit in his life, living off the American taxpayer from day one. Romney turned around Mass. despite an 85% democratic legislature, and now they have a surplus. His hands were tied with the state health care, the wrong party wanted it, not Romney. With Snyder, and the legislature on the same side, our state went from 49th, to 7th, on the scale of business friendly in less than a year. That means jobs are coming here, not to IL for example. See here-
http://www.kctv5.com/story/16928830/michigan?clienttype=printable
Jerry's right, sometimes you have to do politico speak to catch the 'fringe'. Here is a ad Obama will play in many major cities to get the black vote. Imagine if a white candidate did the same concept.! Racism accusations for sure!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU
Herb Helzer
4:39 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
You know, Lee, Willard "Mitt" Romney was never actually named CEO of any of the companies Bain Capital took over. We have no evidence he ever did payroll or balanced a company's books by himself. You're assigning talents to the man solely on speculation. And even for those companies that survived being controlled by Bain, do you know what percentage of the work was performed by Mitt Romney? He was a partner, after all -- not the sole proprietor.
Now, if your response to that is something along the lines of "Romney was an executive, he delegated all that to others," then I need to call you out on your "Obama fired thousands of auto workers" claim -- as if he personally handed out pink slips. You want to thnk ill of him, OK...we get that. But making completely unsupported accusations that are easily disproven isn't doing your reputation around here much good.
For just one example of how easily your assertions are disproven, go to the very Michigan Dashboard set up by Gov. Rick Snyder's order (http://www.michigan.gov/midashboard). Look at the green "thumbs up" indicators: Click on them to open the detailed data. In almost every case, the last YEAR being measured is 2010 -- Jennifer Granholm's last year in office. Proof that Michigan was turning around BEFORE Rick Snyder was elected!!
Daryl Patrishkoff
9:09 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Lee,
Great link to the article about Michigan moving in the right direction. Snyder has the strong VC background of fixing companies and getting them back on track, sometimes they fail! He is doing the same process in Michigan and in the matter of a year we have a significantly different State that is moving in the right direction. The facts do not lie, performance and accountability is what is required.
Now our country is in a very precarious situation and needs the same skills to get back on track. That is why I am leaning in the direction of Romney, I believe his skill set is what we need at this time, turn around the country quickly. I would probably choose someone else if we were in a different place as a country.
The second link you shared is very disturbing.
Herb Helzer
4:50 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Disturbing how? Hell, I'm probably whiter than you are and I wasn't in the least "disturbed" by a video tied to African-American History Month. The message from our President is consistent, regardless of the target audience.
The same cannot be said of Willard "Mitt" Romney, a man Jon Huntsman compared to a weather vane for the many times he shifted positions based on who he was talking to or what office he was seeking. Remember, Romney has been running for President nonstop since February 2007, and has been a politician since 2002 (not to mention his run for U.S. Senate in 1994). Mitt's flip-flops and "nuanced" position shifts are all in the public record, supported by video of the man himself.
If that's the "skill set" you want, then you really must want this country to fail.
[There -- perhaps now you know how it feels when you throw around baseless accusations and ad hominem attacks on others.]
Daryl Patrishkoff
6:38 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Herb,
Since I am the one who added the word "Disturbing" into the conversation about the video I will share my reason. I see this video as a pander to a particular group making them feel like a victim and the candidate is going to make them "Special" with their power and our money. Vote for me and I will take care of you!
This happens on both sides; I am just as equally "Disturbed" by this type of approach from anyone. I believe we all are "Special" and therefore should be treated equally, we all have the right to a shot at the opportunity with an even playing field. Of course, we have to put in legislation that say we protect the rights of all groups equally, this is to protect, not send checks to these groups.
I also believe we should help those who truly need help. The problem is many play the game, work the system and extract their money from us. This dilutes the money we have available and the truly needy do not get help.
We have countless examples of waste in the government, but no programs to truly make it better, just talk with no action or accountability. When are we going to hold them accountable on how they spend our money?
Erin
9:22 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Daryl – I have to disagree with you on this one. Seriously, it’s a Black History Month ad targeting minority with a history of low engagement and voter turnout. And it’s an election year where by all accounts it will be an incredibly close race.
Any political strategist of ANY candidate (incumbent, black, white, female, whatever) is going to tell their candidate that they have to try to appeal to such minority groups to get the vote out. This particular incumbent happens to be the first Black president, so yeah, he’s going to mention the fact.
I remember W always actively courted the Latino vote that wasn’t a problem for anyone. It’s called being smart, and realistic as a politician. And, I always remember W and Clinton making a pretty big deal of Black History Month to varying success.
Some day, we’ll have the first woman president, first Latino president etc. You don’t think they’ll especially court their own demographic? It’s not about victimhood, but yes, I think it is about making people feel “Special” because politicians want to make everyone think they’re special so they’re vote for them. Like or not, it’s politics, not racism.
I’m not stumping for any candidate, or sticking up for anyone’s policies. It’s just a huge waste of time when we talk about being afraid of race, who’s more Christian, and not believing official birth certificates. It’s simply intended to be divisive, and it is.
Daryl Patrishkoff
5:49 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Erin,
I hear and understand your points and they are valid, this is Black History Month and this ad is clearly pandering to that particular group. I do not like pandering by anyone regardless of what party they are in or represent. This is where the politicians talk out of both sides of their mouth and I do not trust them. That is why I was disturbed, but that is my view.
I guess I hold the hard line and find pandering offensive and talking down to us as if we are less intelligent then they are. This clearly happens equally on all sides: liberal, conservative, middle, etc.
For me the true measure of a politician is not what they say, it is what they do. I want to see their track record of failures and accomplishments. Most importantly, when they failed what did they do? I do not care about failure, I care about how they recovered and made “lemonade out of lemons”, that is a track record.
Anyone who did anything in life understands that failure happens to anyone, failure is a great teacher, and it is a measure of a person on how they react after a failure. Success is a terrible teacher; it makes people think they are great, arrogance before the fall.
Erin
10:04 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Lee - really encouraging to hear how Michigan is moving so fast in the ranks. Exciting! Thanks for sharing.
RE; the second link. Not sure of your objection, maybe I went to the wrong link? Seemed simply just an ad specifically to run during Black Hisory Month.
Herb Helzer
4:54 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Erin, Michigan is moving so fast in the ranks...based on data from 2010 (the last year available by most measures). So if you want to thank anyone, thank Gov. Jennifer Granholm and President Barack Obama.
Perhaps the 2011 metrics will be even better. Some of them will for sure. But even then, the LAWS on the books in Michigan were those passed in 2010 and before -- most of what the Legislature rammed through last year is only taking effect THIS YEAR, in 2012.
Lee Jacobsen
8:38 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Herb...good thing this is the good ole USA where we can express our opinions freely, unlike much of the world. Most folk are not upset by the name NAACP, But if you, herb, try and form the NAAWP, or NAAAP, you are sure to get some raised eyebrows, perhaps even some opinions, and not positive. When was the last time you remember Obama going to the ghetto and asking them for support?
Hit me with a link....
Regarding Romney, at least we know his history, upbringing, education, etc. How many presidents do you know of who have had their credibility as a 'Born in the USA' person taken to court, and doubted by so many Americans? I am not a 'birther', his birth certificate is probably real, but there are other issues on call that don't involve a birth certificate. This site goes into more detail ?
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1454/078/Finally:_The_United_States_Supreme_Court_Has_Ruled_That_Obama_Is_Ineligible_To_Serve_As_President..html
Probably just baseless accusations, unfortunately , facts keep popping up that have folk wondering.....Now if the supreme court defined a citizen as one born from two US citizens, and we know Obama's Dad was not a citizen, Hmmmmmm
I know, call those folks 'crazy' etc and deflect the issue.....works sometimes.....
Erin
9:59 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Lee - you do know that George Romney (a very good man and straight up politician) ran for president and was born in Mexico. But no objections to the fact he did not actually qualify to be president.
McCain (also a good man and politician) was born in the Panama Canal Zone. No objections there. It was on a base, but for the strict Constitutionalists, that exception is not explicitly specified.
Now we have an actual President who was actually born in Hawaii - that IS an official US State. OK, problem solved.
I hate to repeat myself, but can we get back to jobs and debt now?
Erin
10:37 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Herb – I’ll always cheer a “Yay Michigan” report regardless of who’s claiming credit.
I do understand that Michigan was on an uptick prior to the wave of newbies coming in from 2010 election– riding on the effects of the Auto Bailout as well as a few (certainly not all) of Granholm’s policies. However, I want to give credit to the new MI administration for taking that ball and running with it mostly in the right direction. Clinton came in riding on George H’s policies that were just taking effect and improving the economy. Clinton took that ball and ran with it, and we know that worked out pretty well. It’s all what you do with it.
I also appreciate that Snyder lives in the land of reality and doesn’t deny the leg up Michigan received from the Auto Bailout (not that he endorsed it). He certainly doesn’t take all the credit for Michigan’s unemployment and business atmosphere turnaround, unlike other politicians. I must say it’s disingenuous for a state rep who’s been in for a couple of years to say: “The upward trend can be attributed in large part to the Legislature’s work this year to encourage Michigan job creators to hire again.” (newsletter from Tom McMillin). I think he would do well do take some lessons from Snyder.
Marty Rosalik
10:25 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Statements like "everybody gets a fair shot, everybody does their share, everybody plays by the same rules". ???? I saw the following.
Opportunity, not entitlement is what I saw. Responsibility, DO something to carry yout burden. Rule of law, "everybody plays by the same rules".
That is distrubing? Or was that the wrong video? The fact that he was targeting a specific audience during Black Histroy Month, was that distrubing? Or was it the "shrinking number" doing well comment? Maybe it was all a coded message we can't understand but we must be afraid.
Lee Jacobsen
4:04 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Marty,
The fact that he was targeting a specific audience, I guess that was it, not only for Black history month, but for the remainder of the campaign , a specific ethnic group, blacks, to work for him so he can get re-elected would be viewed as racism if done by any of the other white candidates for their race , just substitute the word white for black in his speech and it becomes very 'disturbing'. Obama can do it since he is black and is the president.. The reverse is not true for the other candidates. Race should not be a issue, a playing card, but it obviously is. Everyone is 'tiptoeing around it.
I thought we were all 'Americans'. Not Black Americans, White Americans, Mexican Americans, Polish Americans, you get the picture. If Santorum stated, "we need a level playing field for all white Americans", there would be a great hue and cry. That is what fuels Mr. Jesse Jackson, and of course, Obama's religious teacher for 20 years, The Rev. Wright. The rev Wright apparently has way more that a level playing field compared to most Reverends, with a 10 million dollar home paid for by his church etc, but that is what freedom in America can bring, if you work for it, and have the drive and desire to succeed, such as Rev Wright. I may not agree with his views , but it is hard to argue with his success.......see here.
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/06/29/obamas-shorebank-jeremiah-wrights-10-million-cash-machine/
Lee Jacobsen
11:07 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Erin,
Like a true upstanding politician, you have side stepped the question, by asking questions of your own. Romney and McCain satisfied the issue of citizenship, and had no issues, your observations are part of the known record, and raise no flags. What is the question? Is Obama a citizen of the USA? Since he was born in Hawaii, part of the USA, and his mom was a citizen, I would say he is a citizen. Others beg to differ.
The real question is whether Obama is doing a good job or not. You mention debt, jobs, both concerns for our country. I say he is not doing a good job, adding more debt than most other presidents combined. Jobs ?? Many folks have given up, are not even on the official unemployment lists anymore, and not counted as a result.
What to do? Get a businessperson in the oval office, reduce taxes, put more money in folks pockets, reduce the corporate tax rate, draw companies back to the USA instead of taxing them away. Gas prices? Doubled since Obama took office.
Why no pipeline from Canada to Texas, when other pipelines have been on the same route for years without problems? 30,000 jobs, not now.......
Erin
11:13 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Lee J. –so I responded to your long comment where you propagate the Birther conspiracy, and then you say that I’m changing the subject? Okaaaay.
You profess “I would say he’s a citizen” yet you fan the flames with your qualifying language of “his birth certificate is PROBABLY real, it’s ” PROBABLY just baseless accusations”. Similarly, some politicians say “if he SAYS he a Christian, “ if he SAYS that’s his real birth certificate” “he SAYS he’s a Constitutional Law professor” –“ I’ll take him at his word”. (Is McCain really the last honorable politician?)
Lee, honestly, half the time I think you’re trying to prove the opposite point by being outrageous, funny and sourcing from the deep end of the internet. I’m still not sure where you’re coming from. If I’ve been unclear in my views, or equivocating in any way, I apologize. Otherwise, I think I will sign off and wish you good luck.
Scot Beaton
11:18 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Marty, Erin and Daryl... Free Press... you all read my blogs, I read all of yours. I thank all three of you and your comments on the Patch. But even the Free Press states tonight the same marketing, branding concern I posted last night... this party needs faster than a speeding freight train to walk away from the far Christian right. The Free Press is listing to the public, the Republican party is not. And I absolutely guarantee you the Republican party will go down in flames this fall, if it does not move back to the "center". I do not find the Free Press endorsement one bit disturbing they are telling the truth, and the Republican party should start listening.
Lianne Mathie
11:27 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Amen to that. I can't believe the ad I just heard.
Daryl Patrishkoff
5:39 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Marketing is a tool and the ones who create the marketing campaign have one of 2 goals they are trying to achieve.
The first one is to "Inform" which is to present your case and let the market determine if you have a compelling pitch that works for them. You expect the public do their homework to see your value.
The second one is to "Deceive" which is to take very carefully chosen words that get attention of the masses and counts on the public to not do their homework. Here are some recent examples of "Deceit":
Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE is the Jobs Czar, GE is a company that focuses on the Alternative Energy industry and has many employees around the world. Who better to help the US get jobs going again in this economy? Fact: GE is moving and expanding its operations in China at an increasing rate and creating jobs there, not here. Is this deception? Not to mention they legally paid $0 taxes in the US.
Warren Buffet pays fewer taxes than his secretary and wants people like him to pay their "fair share". Fact: Warren's has earnings that come from capital gains at the 15% rate, it is already taxed money multiple times, the 15% is just the last stop in that calendar year. The word “secretary” was carefully chosen, the public thinks this is someone who makes $30K to $70K, she makes much more than that. Is this deception?
Knowledge is power, and the deceivers are counting on people to be lazy.
Daryl Patrishkoff
5:55 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
More examples:
Florescent bulbs are energy savers and good for the environment. Fact: They do save money in use, not even close to LED lights, but we will give them that. However, the reason they are made in China is because of all of the toxic chemicals put in the bulb, we could not compete with our plants due to environmental issues. Now we have all these bulbs here and one breaks, we need a hazmat team to clean it up. When it finally burns out, we need to dispose of these bulbs very carefully. Are we going to? Where are the environmentalists who want to protect the Earth? Is this deceit?
Solar Panels are the future and we need to invest for this clean energy renewable approach to solve our energy dependence on foreign oil. Fact: The reason we cannot compete with China in making these solar panels is not just low labor costs. The chemicals in the panels themselves are highly toxic and need to be handled very carefully to protect the environment. In China the plants do not comply with our rules and regulations and avoid all of those costs along with cheap labor. Every year these panels degrade in performance and after 8 plus years they hardly put out any energy and need to be replaced. Where do we dispose of these toxic panels? Where are the environmentalists who want to protect the Earth? Is this deceit?
Daryl Patrishkoff
6:08 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Now we are in my sweet spot, the auto industry.
Electric Cars are the future and Zero Emissions emitting vehicles, we need to invest in them to create this budding industry to solve our energy dependence on foreign oil. Fact: The technology is not there yet, and might never prove out to work to meet our needs. Even with subsidies the public is not purchasing these vehicles as projected and the business continues to be challenged. Set that aside, how do we create electricity? We burn coal and use natural gas generators but these 2 forms are highly regulated and not approved by the environmentalists. Now after 10 years when the battery finally degrades we have to pay over $10K to replace them and now dispose these useless toxic batteries into the environment. Where are the environmentalists who want to protect the Earth? Is this deceit?
Here is an example of “Informed” marketing
There are over 10 million Compressed Natural Gas vehicles driven around the world. We have only 100,000 CNG vehicles here in America, 90% plus of them are fleet vehicles. What does the world see that we do not? Iran has mostly CNG vehicles operating in their country.
CNG vehicles emit 38% less emissions than the current gasoline vehicle. Did you know we have over 100 year supply (if all vehicles ran on CNG) of Natural Gas right here in North America? Did you know that we are finding more and more Natural Gas deposits in North America every month?
Lianne Mathie
10:00 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
I agree with a great deal of what you said.Our very tax systems needs overhaul so we can keep our industries here.Government needs to get better with how they handle our tax dollars.
I believe China will poison itself at the rate it is going.So that is sustainable only for the near future.Letting companies decide how to police themselves, historically has not worked out as evidenced by all the toxic waste sights here in Michigan alone.
I did see a very interesting segment on 60 Minutes this past weekend, here's the link.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/60minutes/main6221135.shtml
We need to look forward to meeting our energy needs and not with fracking,clean coal and all the other dirty forms of energy that some people are proposing.Shifting dangerous manufacturing from one country to another is irresponsible on many levels, we're just polluting another corner of the planet.I believe the innovation that we need here and around the world can be done by us.Which must be supported by a educational system that is not for profit but for getting us back to being the global leaders that we were in the past
Daryl Patrishkoff
5:55 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Lianne,
We have extensively studied many alternative energy approaches from both an engineering and business perspective. We have put together facts, visited the sites, interviewed the executives of the companies and compared them to each other. From this study we drew fact based opinions and compared them to each other for value and see if they were sustainable in the long run.
At our current technology level none of them work, even with the large governmental subsidies. As engineers we all know and understand hard work can develop new technology in the long run and change the assessment. The next step is to choose a few approaches that show promise and invest in them. When I say invest, I am saying do a small targeted program that proves out the next step of development before we continue. If it does not meet the early development criteria, we change direction.
The government has chosen a political path, based on my previous examples, and went full guns on investment to get things going on favorite approaches without proof. They put "our" eggs in a few select baskets based on political decisions, not detailed analysis. This is the wasteful, high risk approach and will not create success. I am challenging us to follow the normal development process with accountability and cancel the approaches that do not show promise early on in the stage.
What is your understanding of Fracking and why is it out of the mix?
Lianne Mathie
8:47 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Daryl,
Fracking has brought the cost of natural gas supplies down this year and last, however it may be coming with some unintended consequences.There is more studying and debating but potentially,this method might come as too high a price.
Here is just one article of many,
http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking
It does give one pause when your tap water can power your stove.My concern being that industry does not always police itself properly and not to long ago Ohio was dealing with this very issue.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2009/06/cuyahoga_river_fire_40_years_a.html
That being said, what do you think our responsibility extends to as far as damaging or potentially damaging our environment ?What regulations do you think would be appropriate to strike that balance?
Daryl Patrishkoff
6:22 am on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Lianne,
These studies show the impact drilling has had in a few cases to the water source. Anytime you drill through the water table to get to the oil and natural gas below them you have to seal the well through the water table correctly. This is an engineering challenge and it is achievable.
All of this gas is already trapped below the water table by a hard rock layer and that is how it is secured. This natural seal works until an earthquake breaks the rock layer and then the gas naturally come through and contaminate the water source.
In sealing the well through the water table they have to put in the natural barrier of hard rock, a special mixture of cement. The engineering approach is using the natural method of securing the gas from the water source. Both the natural and manmade methods can fail, I suggest that if an earthquake breaks the seal in the manmade well it will also break the natural barrier and we still have a problem.
We have 3 players that are a check and balance to the system. Well drillers need to follow the proven methods that create a safe well. Producers need to follow the proven methods and maintenance on the wells to create safe operations. Regulators need to write and enforce the regulations and certify it was done to the standard.
In gulf oil spill we blamed the 2 private companies and never mentioned the government regulators who looked the other way and did not catch the flaws. Where is the regulators accountability?
Lianne Mathie
3:15 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Daryl,
My question ultimatey is what is the companies moral responsibility to the environment?We can point our fingers at the regulators that hopefully were fired after the BP debacle, but they are monitoring a process that the company is engaged in.
Trade secret law has shields the companies from revealing all of the chemicals that they are injecting in to the wells.The aquifers once polluted are impossible to clean up.These natural wells that are a source of drinking water in land locked areas are forever contaminated.I would also like to mention that there is still some debate going on that the very chemicals being used are also lubricants to the shifting of unstable shale formations that cause the seismic activity.
Ohio's Republican Governor just shut down fracking operations there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/ohio-fracking-earthquakes_n_1182079.html
Oddly enough it was Nixon who consolidated all of the various agency"s that now form the EPA.The article also goes on to state that there is shipping of waste water to other states for disposal.If these wells they rely on for fresh water become forever fouled.Where will these States go for fresh water? My guess is they will be looking north to our Great Lakes.That is why I have been keeping a eye on this method of gas extraction.
Daryl Patrishkoff
6:34 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Lianne,
Yes I believe the companies are responsible to do the right thing to protect the environment. They have a responsibility to do the right thing and the regulators have a responsibility to tell them the right things to do. The best scenario is when they both work together to write the regulation and then keep an eye on each other to comply.
In my earlier reply in the Gulf oil spill all 3 parties were guilty and should pay a heavy price for doing the wrong things. My point was the governmental regulators got a free pass and I find that to be a big part of the problem.
If we look at the nuclear power industry we have strong regulations and have complied with the inspections and that is why we have not had a terrible disaster. I am suggesting we know how to do this with tough engineering challenges; we can do it with fracking.
Earlier you mentioned China will self destruct due to the environmental issues they are ignoring and it will be short term. May I present Mexico was in this position many years ago and has not self destructed yet, they continue to disregard the environment like the Chinese and are many years ahead of China. Mexico has continued to flourish and not self destructed.
We agree, we need to protect the whole Earth within reason and in the US it presents a major global disadvantage. If this is the case why did we invest in off shore drilling in Brazil and tell them we want to be their best customer? Sounds like a case of NIMBY.
kidcat24
7:32 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Romney is a vulture capitalist that swoops in rips a company apart fires as many has he can then walks away with millions of dollars.
Lee Jacobsen
3:12 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
daryl,
Your light bulb example is 'right on'! Last year during a lull at the Home Depot, I decided to find out just how much management knew about the new fangled bulbs , and their disposal.
If you look carefully on the packaging, it states to access the Gov website for proper directions on disposal. In Michigan , these are the typical instructions, reduced from the 21 pages of govt instruction on the website.. http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/CFL_Fact_Sheet_193840_7.pdf
Next, buy a fluorescent bulb and then take it to management in the store, at the counter, where they have computers. Ask them that you do not understand disposal regs and could they look them up for you? They will, and will read the 21 pages, including evac of the store, airing out the store for several hours, specific cleanup, etc, all for one household fluorescent bulb. Then comment to them "would you have to do all this if a bulb was broken? " The usual response is , "I had no idea, I need to talk to my supervisor!". If you want to be 'difficult'', give them a scare by dropping the bulb, but at the last moment, catch it with your foot. They will suddenly realize all the ramifications of what their govt has done to them. If you miss the bulb with your foot, and it breaks, "oops', well ..... then you get to see if they really follow the Fed rules, or are willing to break Fed law for Hazmat (Hazardous materials) instead of evacing the store , customers, and lose sales. Hmmm
Daryl Patrishkoff
6:18 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Lee,
Love your story about the visit to Home Depot. It is a perfect example of a government regulation gone wild. They keep making more and more complex regulations that are not followed but kept someone employed. When a disaster hits they point to the regulation and all of the fine print to shift blame to others.
I call it the "Blame Storming Session", let's find someone to blame that is an easy target so we can all feel good about ourselves and keep our jobs! No one works on the solution and the budget and jobs grow with no value being added.
A perfect example of this is the tragic oil rig fire and spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The companies involved were slack with their inspections of key equipment which lead to the event that caused the disaster. The government quickly assigned blame to these companies in public and acted as if they now took over control and are going to save us.
In fact, the government was a third party in this problem, they were the inspectors that signed off on these companies compliance to the regulations they are the authors of and have to certify compliance. All three parties should be held accountable and share in the blame; however we never heard of any governmental inspector or regulator in the mix, just those bad companies. Sounds like a great “Blame Storming Session” was held by the inspectors and regulators to make a bad guy to deflect responsibility.
Lee Jacobsen
3:33 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Daryl,
Your electric vehicle example is also on point. I happen to make parts for the GM volt, actually part of the battery seal.
As you say, information can be delivered and interpreted in different ways, and manipulated very easily. The headline states, Volt production to increase to 5000 units per month. Since I ship between 500 to 600 parts per month, I know this number is in fantasyland. Sure enough, buried in the article, it admits all of 2011 will be folded into 2012 to reach that number. Oops!!
My favorite example of info deception was Colman Young, mayor of Detroit, bragging how Detroit had doubled it's high school graduation rate, and was doing great! Minor factoid. Going from 2% graduation to 4% graduation is still pretty delporable......
Both statements are true, but both provide completely opposite conclusions.
Ditto for Volt production. I hope sales go up to 5000 a month, but I also make parts for the Jeep, and those are at 40,000 per month.....Sort of tells you what Americans want, and what the govt wants you to 'want'. We still have 'freedom of choice ' in this country, and , right now, the choice is not leaning towards electric cars anytime soon.......
We also do solar panels, but that is another tale...let's just say one of my customers recently went under, S*******, and left me hanging, almost, as I had them on COD and would not ship until paid......the stories of waste at that place would take many lunches to cover.....
Lee Jacobsen
4:52 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Herb,
Small business employs most of the folk in this country. My example was taken with that context in mind. Romney and his involvement with Bain is much larger, and the decisions involve more zeros, but they are still essentially the same decisions, is this process viable and sustainable in it's present form? Whether he actually signs the checks is immaterial, it is who decides the course of action at a company to bring a viable solution that is important. Obama simply does not have the experience to do that. His advisors make up less than 8% of the business world with experience. Most Presidents have had triple that number to advise with business matters. He can't even remember when he last met with is Sec. of State!! Of course Obama didn't fire those GM employees directly, he has others for that. He approved the decision however, and it was the right one, reduce costs, shed waste, get lean and mean and start making a profit for a change.
Matt Guarnieri
11:16 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
The fact that so many people (liberals it seems) are attacking Romney it tells me there may be a message there that scares them.
Erin
11:41 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Matt - questioning is not attacking, and doesn't mean one is liberal, whatever that means anymore.
See Conservative writer George Will's latest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/santorum-and-romney-are-miscast-candidates/2012/02/21/gIQA1l48TR_story.html
kidcat24
1:49 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
No the fact is we don't want him as president. Those who don't read history, are doomed to repeat it.
hartland eagle
12:20 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Who's we?
Obama leads Romney in the latest USA Today national poll by 8 percentage points.
"We" apparently do want him to be President far more than the best hope the GOP can put forward....
kidcat24
2:04 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
You read my reply wrong. It was to the republican above that says we are attacking Romney, so he MAY (lol) have a message that scares us. Yeah that Romney and Santorum's plans would ad billions more to the deficit.
Scot Beaton
1:28 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Heartland, a poll is only one barometer on who going to be our next president ... neither party seems to want to "play" to the center, so this fall election my come down to what fringe group is more motivated to even go out and vote.
In Rochester Hills maybe our city council will put a 3 millage tax increase on the same ballot to make up for the city's 30%+ property tax loss. Just like a lot of other local Goverments they don't seem motivated either to cut spending... and will assume will just keep on paying their bills.
Scot Beaton
1:50 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Heartland, see if you really want to get voters to the polls put a tax increase on the ballot. Votes will come out in droves... maybe that's the plan ??? put local tax increases on ballots across the country to motivate Republicans to get out and vote.
Heartland please excuse my sarcasm, have a great weekend.
kidcat24
2:07 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Oh that's right republicans just call it fees.
kidcat24
2:11 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
What and they'll vote for the republican that put the tax increase on the ballot?
kidcat24
2:13 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Rochester Hills council President is a republican